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WashPost: "Racial Undercurrent Is Seen in Clinton Campaign"

by Louverture, Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:08:13 PM EST

Well, looks like the Clinton campaign is beginning to turn off black folks with their racial fear tactics. I've been waiting for the MSM to pick up on this. They finally have.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/12/22/AR2007122201762. html

From the Washington Post:

"It has unfolded mostly under the radar. But an important development in the 2008 Democratic battle may be the building backlash among African Americans over comments from associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton that could be construed as jabs at Sen. Barack Obama's race.

These officials, including Clinton aides and prominent surrogates, have raised questions or dropped references about Obama's position on sentencing guidelines for crack vs. powder cocaine offenses; on his handgun control record; and on his admitted use of drugs as a youth. The context was always Obama's "electability." But the Illinois senator's campaign advisers said some African American leaders detect a pattern, and they believe it could erode Clinton's strong base of black support."

Some earlier commentary:

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?arti cle=the_real_race_card

http://www.blackstarnews.com/?c=117& a=4012

Tags: Racism, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

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ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

This was the number one Google news story for most of the day...

by aiko on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:11:58 PM EST

Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

The Obama campaign was wisely chose to stay silent about.

The black masses and others can do the job better than Obama.

Too bad for Hillary.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:16:48 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

one of my sources has evidence that the obama campaign has planted these stories with various news organizations.

by truthteller2007 on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:21:50 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

Well they should...if the stories are true.

If Clinton can play the race card, Obama can toss is back in her face.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:24:00 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

No. They are making a white woman guilty for race baiting. It's not Obama who's doing the race baiting--he's just pointing out the fact that some of Hillary's people are.

by Mystylplx on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:07:02 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

your sources are?

by Jim Engler on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:27:07 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

they must remain anonymous. but they are trustworthy.

by truthteller2007 on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 07:33:50 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

anonymous sources are like certain excremental orifices, everyone has them, and they all stink

by Jim Engler on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 08:20:07 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

You didn't complain when HRC pushed racial crap---indeed, you probably supported it.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:24:48 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

"Bill clinton was accused of drug dealing"

Not true.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:29:57 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

"Bill clinton was accused of drug dealing"

Not true.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:30:00 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

You are lying again, "Gladiatorstail". Your story is false. But no surprise, since you work for the Clintons.

Bill Clinton was never accused of drug dealing.

Do you fell guilty?

by win on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:55:33 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

There are always some nutcases out there who will probably accuse Bill Clinton of raping aliens from other planets.

The point is he was never accused of drug dealing by a credible source that got any attention.

by Mystylplx on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:08:52 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

I'm sure he's been accused of worse than that. But it doesn't really count if it's not from a credible source that gets play in the MSM.

by Mystylplx on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:16:21 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

oh stop it.

reverse racism is a dumbass term that means nothing.

you sound like hannity.

zombies are coming

by leewesley on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 07:06:11 PM EST
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Re: ndercurrent Is Seen in Clin (none / 0)

The "black masses"?

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 07:40:21 PM EST
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Comment from Daily Kos (none / 0)

"The Clintons aren't appealing to racists, they are appealing to dems belief that their friends and neighbors are racists, cynical and disgusting."

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:22:08 PM EST

Re: Comment from Daily Kos (none / 0)

Does this make you angry? Get under your skin?

Well then imagine how legions of black folks feel.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:25:36 PM EST
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Re: Comment from Daily Kos (none / 0)

see the funny thing is, no one said it was your fault.

only your defensive crazy rantings.

and anyone of any race who doesn't actively fight discrimination in every instance should feel guilty-
take that for what you will.

zombies are coming

by leewesley on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 07:08:49 PM EST
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Re: Comment from Daily Kos (2.00 / 1)

Don't pretend to speak for anyone but yourself when you spew such crap.

by Piuma on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:33:30 PM EST
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Re: WashPost (none / 0)

So we can't talk about the issues of black people because no matter the position, it's racist. If black people want to believe Clinton is pushing racial or racist arguments, so be it. But please, Obama is playing the same ole politics by pushing this meme that the Clinton campaign is using racial and racist arguments. Is it working? Possibly, he has the media on his side.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:31:31 PM EST

Re: WashPost (none / 0)

How is Obama pushing this. He's trying to avoid this because he's in a no-win situation if he ever addressed it.

The Clinton would love Obama to cry "race" like and angry black man.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:42:35 PM EST
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Re: WashPost (none / 0)

Oh come on, you know better than that. This is politics. Obama does not have to publicly cry foul.

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:46:48 PM EST
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Re: WashPost (none / 0)

Rather ridiculous to blame Obama for something that was obviously part of the Clinton campaign's strategy.

Consider the following:

1) Shaheen wasn't fired, he just "stepped down" as co-chair. Wonder if he'll be back someday, hmmm.

2) The very next day, Clinton was out on the stump bragging about how there were no skeletons in her closet - in other words, continuing the exact same theme Shaheen brought up.

by animated on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:58:00 PM EST
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Re: WashPost (none / 0)

So you really believe this was all just a happy coincidence? Sorry, I don't.

This happened in the space after Clinton's initial "fun part begins" attack on Obama failed miserably. It makes perfect sense to me that they would pivot in their strategy and launch a dirty attack through a proxy, who takes the hit, and "steps down," plus Clinton makes a big show of "apologizing" publicly, but the dirt is out there. It's a classic tactic, I'm surprised you think any campaign would be above such things.

by animated on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:08:42 PM EST
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Re: WashPost (none / 0)

Yes, for all the partisans out there it is always the other campaign that is viciously attacking, while yours was just nobly defending itself.

The point is, campaigns do stuff like this - seed stories in the media, launch attacks by proxy to get stuff out there etc. I'm sure the Edwards and Obama campaigns would not be above such tactics either, and so what? That's what happens in campaigns.

What crossed the line for me was that this attack did appear to have a racial dimension to it, however much Clinton supporters may be loathe to admit it.

by animated on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:45:25 PM EST
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Re: WashPost: (none / 0)

Why are Obama supporters so bent on renting the party asunder?

by truthteller2007 on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:52:18 PM EST

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OBAMA IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

Hillary will be a second-tier adviser to Obama, when he wins. Hillary is a very good senator for New york.

by win on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:57:29 PM EST
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The comment from Win will tell you. (none / 0)

These folks aren't interested in the democratic party. The irrationality and malice of this little contribution demonstrates more clearly than I ever could just how narrow and bitter these people are. They are not democrats they are essentially Naderites more interested in promoting the interest of a candidate they see in the Naderite mode rather than promoting the interests of Democrats. That's why they so eagerly jump on this latest bit of trash from Cillizza. No facts all rumor and innuendo. They are a pretty sad bunch and I don't want to be around when reality hits and the real Democratic party rejects their candidate.

by ottovbvs on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:11:00 PM EST
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What happened to the 'Seymour' log-in?.eom (none / 0)

by Mystylplx on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:18:12 PM EST
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Re: What happened to the 'Seymour' log-in?.eom (none / 0)

Long story. He's a good guy, but he's obsessed with "Naderites."

by Mystylplx on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:55:16 PM EST
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Re: What happened to the 'Seymour' log-in?.eom (none / 0)

I don't think that's Seymour. The writing style is entirely different.

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 07:39:12 PM EST
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Re: The comment from Win will tell you. (2.00 / 1)

wrong, the reason I support Obama is because I care greatly about the Democratic party and its future. I believe Obama to be the strongest GE candidate, especially in states with pivotal Senate elections like Colorado, New Hampshire, and New Mexico. Without 60, or nearly 60 votes in the Senate, NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING of importance to the liberal cause will able to be accomplished.

by Jim Engler on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:35:30 PM EST
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Re: WashPost (2.00 / 1)

Huh?

Restore America's Strength.

by RJEvans on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 05:53:29 PM EST

Poor Hillary (none / 0)

More of the Clintonian whine which goes like this: when Republicans do this to me it works, but when I try to do it to Obama it gets thrown back in my face. Not fair.....

by Piuma on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:35:26 PM EST

Re: Poor Hillary (none / 0)

And she deserves to have it tossed back in her face.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 06:55:13 PM EST
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Barry has just lost the race with one! (none / 0)

This is bullshit story. I am black and none of my friends (black friends), think the Clintons are racist or played the race card. I am surprised that the Barry camp has and is pushing this meme. He started pushing this meme when he went on the Tom Joyner Morning Show 2 weeks ago and it went nowhere. Many white people will be turned off by this. Mark my words. White people hate those that play the race card. Now that he has successful in pushing the story to the WaPO, how is he going to ignore it ? What is he going to say about it? He's just lost the race with one in my opinion.

by lonnette33 on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 09:07:36 PM EST

Re: Barry has just lost the race with one! (none / 0)

Obama has "just lost the race" many times.

by Louverture on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 10:16:17 PM EST
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Re: Barry has just lost the race with one! (none / 0)

I've meaning to ask you, are you that weirdo General Sherman reincarnated?

by lonnette33 on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 08:09:18 AM EST
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Re: WashPost: "Racial Undercurrent (none / 0)

Page 2 story in Washington Post.

For this to get that kind of coverage from the Post is a big deal.

Slash and burn politics baby! Say anything do anything lie cheat steal railroad the opposition into submission: CLINTON FORMULA FOR 2008.

by crackityjones on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 09:34:25 PM EST

African Americans can vote for Rudy (none / 0)

I am sure he undertands them far better and will give them a fairer shake.

Just remember 41 shots.

by dpANDREWS on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:09:37 PM EST

Barry can try this but it isn't without peril (none / 0)

Wasn't it Andrew Young who recently said Bill Clinton has gone with more black girls than Obama?

by dpANDREWS on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:20:19 PM EST

Re: You can try this but it isn't without peril (none / 0)

And your point is?

by Piuma on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 11:52:11 PM EST
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Re: You can try this but it isn't without peril (none / 0)

A better question would be, what was Young's point?

by Louverture on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 12:05:42 AM EST
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Does Obama really want to inject race? (none / 0)

Accusing the Clintons of all people of being racists is weak and absurd. How muhc milage will Obama really get out that?

On the other side of the coin it simply brings up race and that isn't a plus for Obama. White voters in Iowa may not like him playing the race card and African American voters in places like SC may start to think more about his race as well.

by dpANDREWS on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 07:58:30 AM EST
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It is a losing play (none / 0)

We have had candidates before who leaned on their race and they didn't go far. If Obama is going to play this it is a sign that he is in trouble and desperate.

I think he is.

by dpANDREWS on Mon Dec 24, 2007 at 08:00:09 AM EST

ANYWAY --NH is all tied up again (none / 0)

I can't wait until the pimp 'n ho plantation politics of the Clintons is done away with.

by Louverture on Tue Dec 25, 2007 at 12:33:36 AM EST

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